Obesity Discussion Forums

[befreedee66]

Hi has any one undergone the vertical sleeve? I am looking at this procedure rather than the gastric or lapband or gastric bypass. I wish to lose 30 to 35 kgs.

Any info appreciated

Thanks Dee

[MikeB]

Dee, our best advice is to exercise and eat right before ever looking at surgery. This means counting calories and doing physical exercise on a daily basis. Surgery has about a 90% return to obesity rate which just isn't worth it in my eyes. You'll lose weight without the knowledge and constraint of how to keep it off and stay healthy.

[befreedee66]

Mike you didn't say when and which surgery you had

[MikeB]

umm, I didn't have surgery, I worked my ass off over the last 18 months to drop over 100lbs of fat and gain at least 15 to 20lbs of muscle.

[Obesity Discussion]

Originally Posted by MikeB

umm, I didn't have surgery, I worked my ass off over the last 18 months to drop over 100lbs of fat and gain at least 15 to 20lbs of muscle.

My man.

[befreedee66]

yep, my point exatly!

[MikeB]

What's your point, I don't understand. As a group we're saying that surgery shouldn't be an option for you until you've spent at least 2 years counting calories, eating right and exercising, by then you'll have lost so much weight surgery will be pointless.
You could take the "easy" way out and get surgery and have the pain, possible infection, possible death and never learn to eat right and exercise and then you can have the wonderful experience of gaining it all right back with the lifelong bad habits you have acquired.

Just a thought...

[befreedee66]

apologies, I thought this was a site where I could get unbiased opions regarding the pros and cons of surgery.

Obviously you have made assumptions about me and what my needs are trust me this is the last option and if you took the time never mind.....

I shall unsubscibe as I am obviously in the wrong place.


D

[befreedee66]

It just occured to me that my counellor suggests that one of the reasons I have weight problems is that I am not expressing my emotions and anger and just cover them over and use food to medicate feelngs as do people who use drugs, alcohol and become gym junkies.

So after I decided to unsubsribe I realised that I was angry and xxxxx off and was once again not going to express my feelings and just walk away.

Not this time!!

I am so sick to death of those people who assume that we "fat people" have no will, lack knowledge and are lazy and want the easy way out.

You see I know all there is to know about food, calories and exercise yes, and have sprouted my will, strength and achievements many a time. It is so simple to do what you have done and thousands of people also have that knowledge but if that is all it took we would not be in this situation. How dare you assume with your arrongant attitude and superiorty that you know what is best for me.

What really stinks is that I wasn't talking to you! I didn't ask you for you opinion, my message was to sleevers who could advise good or bad.
When I came here to ask for support I didn't ask for some-one to put down my choices and me with an arrogant pompus attitude. MY g--- where do you get off. I have met so many of the likes of you in my lifetime.

Well wont my therapist be proud!! anger directed where it should rather at myself. I can feel the kilos dropping already.

Thank you for your opinion but please save it for some-one who asked for it.

D

[Chrisydj]

I dont think they were trying to put you down. They just believe very strongly that surgery of any kind should be a last ditch effort. I feel the same way when it comes to surgery for me. If it is what you feel is needed for you to get to where you want/need to be then more power to you. Just make sure you figure out everything that makes you self medicate with food. And then try to make the necessary changes in your life so that the surgery wasnt all for nothing. Many people that have weight loss surgery dont change their habits and end up gaining all the weight back plus more. I would suggest, if you havent tried it already, counting calories or just find a way to cut back the amount of food you eat and try to find healthier alternatives to the junk that most of us ate to get us in the situations we are in and of course some form of exercise, even if it is just doing yardwork or walking around the neighborhood or dancing around your house while cleaning, whatever it takes to get you moving more before you look to surgery. If you have already and it didnt stick then there may be something deeper that you need to look into. Everyone I know that is obese or overweight seems to have some kind of emotional issue that they havent dealt with and instead eat and then get depressed cause of their size and eat more. It is a never ending battle to be healthy. There is to much cheap unhealthy crap out there for us to chose from. And you can eat it and lose weight. You just have to do it in moderation.
I hope I havent rambled on to much and that what I typed just made some kind of sense.

[MikeB]

I'm just curious, is this picture the way you feel? If so we have kindred spirits. I am that guy in that picture and I HATED my picture to be taken. I didn't want to think about my weight, I didn't want to deal with it at all. Then I started thinking about how long I would live to take care of my family/children and hopefully grand children.

I DARE YOU to start counting calories for 3 weeks, eat right and ask for advice on what you're eating and allow us to modify your diet and NOT LOSE WEIGHT. If you an do that I will agree with you and tell you to please go get the surgery.

This picture isn't meant to be flipping you off, it was the way I felt every day about being fat and out of shape and was the response to anyone who came near me with a camera. Notice that's my belly folded over my belt into my lap at 310+ lbs. The's me in my avatar as well, same belly 1/2 way down my thigh. Read my signature, if I can do it, anyone can!

BTW my wife has lost 65lbs doing what I am telling you to do, that's right at 30kg.

[befreedee66]

Thankyou for your replies, Having been on the dieting merry go round and counting calories carbs etc, I too finally lost all the weight and with kick boxing roller blading, dont drink alcohol dont smoke any more yada yada yada, life was great and my life had turned around. Since then many more positive things have happened since then and accepting lifes curve balls along the way have adjusted and the importantance of maintaining a healthy weight and lifestyle has never been more a concern than ever.


Nine years on since the curve ball I find that mutiple sclerosis is making it difficult to exercise and keep active as I like, the fatique means that i am not advised not to go to low carb as MS and fatque are a problem. the uneractive thyroid means that my resting rate to burn energy is 800 cals per day and fybromyalgia means constant pain and fatique. medication and steroids seem to impact on my weight gain. Arthritis is now a thing with ballooning from my 65 kgs to 90 kgs since the progression of MS.

With high ANA and sjorgrens sydrome all seem to be pointing Systemic lupus so I really need to make a decision before things deterioate.

I am very practical and logical about the reality of my situation and do not want to impact health with greater weight gain.

I do not live in pity and have a wonderful fulfilling life and wonderful husband but need to address a problem that will get worse before it gets better.

I chose not to bore you with what sounds like woe is me, just enquire if any one could give me some info to help with a decision re surgery options.
It really was just a straight forward enquiry. I have been recommended another site that deals with this so shat persue.

Nice photo, right back at you, sorry I dont have one to share by I have a good life and like myself and want to whats best for future health

PS I am too busy to count pills and injections on a daily basis so counting calories as well, dont think so!

And as for your guarentee to lose weight within three weeks that is not the problem, thats the easy part.

D

[MikeB]

I understand all or your issues and still think we can help you make a difference. You're going to limit your calories by shrinking your stomach but you can limit your calories yourself. Eventually you will re-stretch your stomach or eat such high calorie foods that you'll gain anyhow. A co-worker filled in for me for a week at the place I'm contracted to while I was on vacation last year. He had gastric bypass 3 years ago and lost over 200lbs but has gained it back. While he was filling in for me I was told that he brought in a 2lb back of M&M's every day and ate the entire thing during an 8 hour shift, that's over 4400 calories a day by nibbling on that 2lb bag EVERY DAY!!!
It takes about 10 minutes a day for me to log my food and evaluate my intake. After awhile I have a standard menu rotation I do so I don't have to count for those days, I know what I'm eating nutritionally.

If you won't do the work to count calories and to get up and do SOMETHING physical daily for a couple of hours then in the long run it's your funeral, the surgery won't delay that but unfortunately speed it up. NOTHING is worse for your body than a massive weight drop and then massive weight gain. If you're in pain sitting on the couch then you won't be in any more pain walking, dancing or just doing something.

We're here to help and support you in your endeavors to lose weight for the long term, to change your habits and to learn!

[befreedee66]

keep up the good work mike and you will achieve you goals, a few more kilos to go and you will be down to my weight

farewell

D

[MikeB]

Originally Posted by befreedee66

keep up the good work mike and you will achieve you goals, a few more kilos to go and you will be down to my weight

farewell

D

If you're around 200lbs then you're not even morbidly obese, a little hard work and the weight will fall off.

[jblack]

Originally Posted by MikeB

Dee, our best advice is to exercise and eat right before ever looking at surgery. This means counting calories and doing physical exercise on a daily basis. Surgery has about a 90% return to obesity rate which just isn't worth it in my eyes. You'll lose weight without the knowledge and constraint of how to keep it off and stay healthy.

NINETY percent??? I find that hard to believe.

[jblack]

Originally Posted by MikeB

What's your point, I don't understand. As a group we're saying that surgery shouldn't be an option for you until you've spent at least 2 years counting calories, eating right and exercising, by then you'll have lost so much weight surgery will be pointless.
You could take the "easy" way out and get surgery and have the pain, possible infection, possible death and never learn to eat right and exercise and then you can have the wonderful experience of gaining it all right back with the lifelong bad habits you have acquired.

Just a thought...

OK, WTF? Surgery is NOT easy by any stretch of the imagination. Surgery is merely a tool in combating obesity, it doesn't work without the right mindset. And don't think you are fooling anyone by saying the mindset alone works, either.

[jblack]

Originally Posted by befreedee66

Thankyou for your replies, Having been on the dieting merry go round and counting calories carbs etc, I too finally lost all the weight and with kick boxing roller blading, dont drink alcohol dont smoke any more yada yada yada, life was great and my life had turned around. Since then many more positive things have happened since then and accepting lifes curve balls along the way have adjusted and the importantance of maintaining a healthy weight and lifestyle has never been more a concern than ever.


Nine years on since the curve ball I find that mutiple sclerosis is making it difficult to exercise and keep active as I like, the fatique means that i am not advised not to go to low carb as MS and fatque are a problem. the uneractive thyroid means that my resting rate to burn energy is 800 cals per day and fybromyalgia means constant pain and fatique. medication and steroids seem to impact on my weight gain. Arthritis is now a thing with ballooning from my 65 kgs to 90 kgs since the progression of MS.

With high ANA and sjorgrens sydrome all seem to be pointing Systemic lupus so I really need to make a decision before things deterioate.

I am very practical and logical about the reality of my situation and do not want to impact health with greater weight gain.

I do not live in pity and have a wonderful fulfilling life and wonderful husband but need to address a problem that will get worse before it gets better.

I chose not to bore you with what sounds like woe is me, just enquire if any one could give me some info to help with a decision re surgery options.
It really was just a straight forward enquiry. I have been recommended another site that deals with this so shat persue.

Nice photo, right back at you, sorry I dont have one to share by I have a good life and like myself and want to whats best for future health

PS I am too busy to count pills and injections on a daily basis so counting calories as well, dont think so!

And as for your guarentee to lose weight within three weeks that is not the problem, thats the easy part.

D

Damn, I really feel for you and understand why you are considering bariatric surgery, but with that much comorbidity, I really think you are going to have trouble finding a reputable surgeon to even consider your case...