Obesity Discussion Forums

[steve.burke]

Hi everyone
I would like to know peoples thoughts on fat. The one you cook with not body fat. As a personal trainer in the U.K i am constantly trying to convince people that eating good quality animal fats from free range and organic feeding farms is a healthy way of eating fat. The media hype about poly-unsaturated fats does not show the true benifits of fat as they simply say eating these fats will give health benifits but the amounts of these fats are way off the amounts we should be consuming. My diet consists of 60% fat, 30% protien and 10% carbs. My fat intake is made up of 70% saturated, 20% mono-unsaturated and 10% poly-unsaturated. My weight is 210lbs at 6' 2" i have a body fat percentage of 12%. This is not me showing off i am proof that eating good quality saturated fat will not make you fat. I will leave this thought with you heart attacks are on the INCREASE and butter sales are on the DECREASE!!!!

[Obesity Discussion]

I'm at 60% protein 25% fat 15% carbs myself, and try to get a much higher percentage of unsaturated fats than saturated fats. Zero trans fats of course. Using this model I've been as low as 5-6% body fat while heavily involved in sports, but currently reside at 9%.

I encourage the people here trying to lose weight through calorie deficits to maintain a high protein intake to mitigate muscle loss.

[Steve]

So how bout coming in and actually backing up your claims instead of just slinging them.

Why do you put an emphasis on dietary fat?

More importantly, of this intake, why do you put an emphasis on saturated fats?

[Jyames]

Interesting.

I do 50% protein 30% fat 20% carbs

I try to get an even split of my fats 1-1-1 following the Berardi model.

I have read their is a correlation between saturated fats and testosterone levels so I don't run from them like many people.

[Steve]

1) Using % is futile IMO. Our macro intakes should be linked to our size, muscle, etc. Abiding by the law of percentages takes these important factors out of the equation.

30% of 1500 calories is a lot different than 30% of 4000.

I suggest using absolute values.

2) A boost in testosterone or not, making saturated fat your primary intake isn't wise IMO.

[Merle]

I like this Steve vs. Steve thing we have here. Where did Steve #2 go? I cannot imagine a personal trainer is recommending 60% fat to his clients.

[jacqueline]

Originally Posted by steve.burke

Hi everyone
I would like to know peoples thoughts on fat. The one you cook with not body fat. As a personal trainer in the U.K i am constantly trying to convince people that eating good quality animal fats from free range and organic feeding farms is a healthy way of eating fat. The media hype about poly-unsaturated fats does not show the true benifits of fat as they simply say eating these fats will give health benifits but the amounts of these fats are way off the amounts we should be consuming. My diet consists of 60% fat, 30% protien and 10% carbs. My fat intake is made up of 70% saturated, 20% mono-unsaturated and 10% poly-unsaturated. My weight is 210lbs at 6' 2" i have a body fat percentage of 12%. This is not me showing off i am proof that eating good quality saturated fat will not make you fat. I will leave this thought with you heart attacks are on the INCREASE and butter sales are on the DECREASE!!!!

Personally, I am surprised at the advice you are giving your clients! I doubt that you will find a Dr. who will agree with you. Both the fat percentage and the amount of saturated fat recommended are way out of line with what is medically recommended. You may be able to tolerate this diet now, but what about the long term effects on your heart and arteries? If you are giving this information to people who are prone to heart disease. your recommendations might cause real damage. Unless I am missing something, I hope you will rethink your recommendations. I am sure you would feel terrible if what you were doing caused harm to anyone including yourself.

[steve.burke]

My advice is based on many hours of research into the effects of saturated fat on the body and how the body uses saturated fat. I feel i should apologise for not giving amounts of fat i eat they are not as much as you would expect because of the quality of the foods i eat i dont need to eat as much to feel full. As for doctors advice on fat this is advice through government studies which do not seperate saturated fats from trans fats not to mention most studies are carried out by massive food and drug companies who will only publish what they want in order to sell there products. Independent research shows the body needs saturated fat to function in every day life. It is not a killer like the media and the companies who make billions on "low fat" foods would have us believe. Take a look at native tribes around the world who do not follow a western lifestyle and their diets are made up from animal fats and dairy produce all organic and free range. The research is out there you just have to look for it. The results i get for my clients speak for themselves i even train a doctor who had high BP and high Cholesterol (high HDL is caused by the body and not by saturated fat) he is now well below the figures he started at. Even though his opinion on fats was very much like the mainstream he never lost weight never reduced BP and all ways felt like he had no energy. He now believes in the ability of saturated fat to maintain a healthy body. Although i dont believe i can give websites that the research is featured on i am more than happy for you to email me and i wil give you the websites. If you still dont believe me then that is fine.
happy researching

[steve.burke]

I do apologise for not giving my calorie count at present it is 3050 Kcal a day. I love the way people will demonise something they may not know a great deal about. Go out and research saturated fat and try and find a definative result showing the effects of saturated fats on the body. You can find a life time of reading on FAT but very little food and drug company research of saturated fat. Independent research shows a balanced amount of saturated fat is essential to a healthy body. I welcome any independent research which shows the opposite.

[Steve]

Originally Posted by steve.burke

I do apologise for not giving my calorie count at present it is 3050 Kcal a day. I love the way people will demonise something they may not know a great deal about. Go out and research saturated fat and try and find a definative result showing the effects of saturated fats on the body. You can find a life time of reading on FAT but very little food and drug company research of saturated fat. Independent research shows a balanced amount of saturated fat is essential to a healthy body. I welcome any independent research which shows the opposite.

You know what I love?

When people sling nonsense without proof and then tell everyone else to go do the research to prove them wrong.

Have you ever heard of 'the burden of proof?' If not, I suggest you learn it.

Because it's on you and your claims, my friend.

Not us.

To add..... the fact that you are concerning yourself with lowering high density lipoproteins rather than low density leaves me very concerned with your competency wrt the subject at hand.

The results i get for my clients speak for themselves i even train a doctor who had high BP and high Cholesterol (high HDL is caused by the body and not by saturated fat) he is now well below the figures he started at.

[William Wallace]

Uh oh, Steve's all riled up.

[steve.burke]

ok how about i give you some web sites to help you along steve you obviously cant be bothered to give the research you have carried out so here are some to get you started: mercola.com stop-trans-fats.com helpguide.org/life/healthy_diet_fats.htm have a read oh and yes there are some pictures

[Obesity Discussion]

I know Steve has done a ton of research on areas such as this, I'm sure he'll be more than happy to post it up. Now for Steve #2, do you have any specific studies in mind you could post that support your methods? It's a lot easier than browsing entire websites.

[Steve]

Originally Posted by steve.burke

ok how about i give you some web sites to help you along steve you obviously cant be bothered to give the research you have carried out so here are some to get you started: mercola.com stop-trans-fats.com helpguide.org/life/healthy_diet_fats.htm have a read oh and yes there are some pictures

Are you F-ing kidding me?

Did you miss that whole bit about 'burden of proof?'

Do you know what 'burden of proof' is?

Or is your reading comprehension so severely lacking that you didn't understand what's been said above?

You are making the claims. It's not up to me to prove you wrong. It's up to you to support your nonsense.

And please give me some respect and don't insult my intelligence by posting up some links to websites.

Use big words too, I promise you won't scare me off.

I suggest you start with PubMed Home since it seems you haven't done the research on your own.

And for those interested, the research out there on this subject sucks.

There is no research that I would consider A grade evidence surrounding saturated fat and a variety of health endpoints.

Associative research linking saturated fat with a vareity of health endpoints, there is a heap of mixed results.

Research linking saturated fats to a number of risk factors, there is a few.

I'm not taking the time to re-dig this up b/c I'm not the one who needs to be backing up my claims, as I've claimed nothing.

But even with the lack of research, that doesn't mean, hey, there's nothing proving the contraindications associated with sat fat, so let's eat a metric ton of the stuff.

Yea, I'll pass.