Obesity Discussion Forums

[edgar]

I’ve been reading a lot about Bodybuilding supplement products as well as vyotech. I have been lifting for about two years steadily and am now ready for a good supplement. Permanence of gains is key. Once again I greatly appreciate any help for supplement suggestions.

[Steve]

Originally Posted by edgar

I’ve been reading a lot about Bodybuilding supplement products as well as vyotech. I have been lifting for about two years steadily and am now ready for a good supplement. Permanence of gains is key. Once again I greatly appreciate any help for supplement suggestions.

You don't need supplments. And what is "performance of gains?"

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Originally Posted by edgar

I’ve been reading a lot about Bodybuilding supplement products as well as vyotech. I have been lifting for about two years steadily and am now ready for a good supplement. Permanence of gains is key. Once again I greatly appreciate any help for supplement suggestions.

The two supplements I take on a consistent basis are CEE (creatine ethyl esters) and protein shakes. All I'm looking for from the CEE is to be less sore and a little more explosion from my lifts.

Vyotech is just a brand of various supplements, not much different than anything else. There is nothing special about Vyotech other than they are really pricey. There are many equivalent products for much cheaper.

I agree that you don't need supplements, but what are your goals? You want permanent gains? I didn't quite understand what you were typing.

[William Wallace]

I've never heard of the stuff. Steve, you don't think that some supplements can be advantagous?

[Merle]

I've never bothered taking pills and lotions and potions, but if that is what you are looking for I wish you the best! Welcome to OD!

[MikeB]

If it weren't for Mannatech Sport I wouldn't be able to do 1/2 the exercising I do. It keeps me from getting sore or alleviate the soreness within 48 hours instead of a week.
I LOVE IT!
Since I started lifting this week, I'm taking San Fuel Injection V-12 turbo creatine pre-workout and Myozene post workout

[corey]

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[Steve]

Originally Posted by William Wallace

I've never heard of the stuff. Steve, you don't think that some supplements can be advantagous?

Sure there are SOME supplements out there that are "advantageous." However, most take them long before they should. Unless your diet is 100% in check as well as your training, you are only wasting your money by gobbling down supps.

Proper "whole food" nutrition and training are going to be the largest drivers of your success. Not supps. So negating the first and jumping to the second are going to lead you down a road of sub-optimal results.

There are no magic fixes unless you take steroids.

[Irving]

Originally Posted by Steve

Sure there are SOME supplements out there that are "advantageous." However, most take them long before they should. Unless your diet is 100% in check as well as your training, you are only wasting your money by gobbling down supps.

Proper "whole food" nutrition and training are going to be the largest drivers of your success. Not supps. So negating the first and jumping to the second are going to lead you down a road of sub-optimal results.

There are no magic fixes unless you take steroids.

i take fish oils

[Steve]

Originally Posted by Irving

i take fish oils

I don't really consider that a supplement. I consider fish oil and protein powder food.

And yes, I take fish oil myself. 6 grams of it per day.

[Merle]

Originally Posted by Steve

I don't really consider that a supplement. I consider fish oil and protein powder food.

And yes, I take fish oil myself. 6 grams of it per day.

So what exactly do you take if you don't mind me asking and what does it all do?

[Steve]

Originally Posted by Merle

So what exactly do you take if you don't mind me asking and what does it all do?

Protein powder, and that is only during/post workout.

And fish oil caps.

That's it. Everything else is whole, natural foods.

What does protein powder do? Nothing protein found in your food doesn't do, besides hit the blood stream faster. This is why I take it during/post workout.... to ward off catabolism and begin the anabolic stage of recovery.

What do fish oil caps do? What don't they do in terms of health is a better question.

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Originally Posted by Steve

Protein powder, and that is only during/post workout.

And fish oil caps.

That's it. Everything else is whole, natural foods.

What does protein powder do? Nothing protein found in your food doesn't do, besides hit the blood stream faster. This is why I take it during/post workout.... to ward off catabolism and begin the anabolic stage of recovery.

What do fish oil caps do? What don't they do in terms of health is a better question.

Very impressive that you have been able to accomplish what you have so naturally. Fish oil caps are amazing. I think most importantly they're good for the brain, the heart, and cancer prevention.

[Steve]

Originally Posted by Obesity Discussion

Very impressive that you have been able to accomplish what you have so naturally. Fish oil caps are amazing. I think most importantly they're good for the brain, the heart, and cancer prevention.

Thanks, but I don't really think it's amazing. It seems that way to many simply b/c we have been brain-washed to believe that you need "un-natural" things to accomplish anything significant in terms of physique.

So you have tons of people running around wasting their money and time on "products" at the cost of setting up and utilizing consistently, a proper diet.

It is not as fun to think all you have to do is eat right, but the truth of the matter is, it is all you need.

Supplements coupled with a perfect diet will get you somewhere. Supplements coupled with a sub par diet will get you nowhere.

Plus, if you saw me IRL, I bet you wouldn't be that impressed, unless I took my shirt off. In my gym, there are a bunch of guys who use steroids. They look impressive even with baggy shirts on. I will never reach that kind of size.

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Originally Posted by Steve

Thanks, but I don't really think it's amazing. It seems that way to many simply b/c we have been brain-washed to believe that you need "un-natural" things to accomplish anything significant in terms of physique.

So you have tons of people running around wasting their money and time on "products" at the cost of setting up and utilizing consistently, a proper diet.

It is not as fun to think all you have to do is eat right, but the truth of the matter is, it is all you need.

Supplements coupled with a perfect diet will get you somewhere. Supplements coupled with a sub par diet will get you nowhere.

Plus, if you saw me IRL, I bet you wouldn't be that impressed, unless I took my shirt off. In my gym, there are a bunch of guys who use steroids. They look impressive even with baggy shirts on. I will never reach that kind of size.

I am absolutely brainwashed. Being around high school and college athletes, as well as steroid junkees in the gyms, very few people I see your size got there naturally.

[Steve]

Originally Posted by Obesity Discussion

I am absolutely brainwashed. Being around high school and college athletes, as well as steroid junkees in the gyms, very few people I see your size got there naturally.

Again, I think if you saw me in real life, you wouldn't say that. But I agree, most guys with muscle juice. Sad, but true. Part of the reason I left the industry.

[William Wallace]

Originally Posted by Steve

But I agree, most guys with muscle juice. Sad, but true. Part of the reason I left the industry.

If I saw a very muscular guy on the street, what are the odds he is not natural? We talking 20%? 80%?

[Steve]

Originally Posted by William Wallace

If I saw a very muscular guy on the street, what are the odds he is not natural? We talking 20%? 80%?

Hard to say. Don't get me wrong, some people have excellent genes for growth. That said, IMO, they are very few and far between. I could not even give you a percentage. The really big guys. Yea, I think a overwhelmingly large percentage of them juice.

Guys like me, I would say it is close to 30-50%.

[William Wallace]

Originally Posted by Steve

Hard to say. Don't get me wrong, some people have excellent genes for growth. That said, IMO, they are very few and far between. I could not even give you a percentage. The really big guys. Yea, I think a overwhelmingly large percentage of them juice.

Guys like me, I would say it is close to 30-50%.

Wow, that many! :eek4: Then again there are not that many big people in the general public to begin with! I wonder what percentage of those have serious long term side effects. Sorry, don't mind me, I'm thinking out loud, er, online, or whatever.

At the end of the day I have much more respect for those who do it naturally like yourself and don't take risky shortcuts. Then again, I cannot tell you how tempted I have been in the past to take an E/C/A stack (using Ephedrine HCL) to supplement my exercise. Haven't done it yet, but thought about it.