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EPA DHA Ratio Fish Oil Conversation

Originally Posted by Steve

I'll add, I've never been a fan of the clean vs. unclean food crowd.

After the baseline macronutrients are accounted for, I don't see much sense in eating only "clean" foods. Certainly there are health benefits.... but life is too short to live on chicken, brocolli, fish, and brown rice.

And the standard "unclean" foods aren't going to make a difference in your weight loss/body recomposition journies.

For instance, I've gotten my leanest ever by doing this:

I first figured out my caloric intake required to initiate fat loss.

I then made sure I was taking in adequate protein, which was 1.25 grams per pound at the time.

I then made sure I was getting adequate essential fats in. This was comprised of 6 grams of fishoil pills per day as well as a lot of good fats from food such as nuts, PB, fish, Udo's Oil, etc.

I ate a boat load of veggies with each meal, even breakfast.

And after that, pretty much everything was fair game.

Limiting yourself to "clean" foods only makes the process very UN-fun. No, thanks.... that's not for me.

Just curious, when you say 6g. of fish oil, are you referring to 6g. total of epa/dha?

[Steve]

Originally Posted by Obesity Discussion

Sorry, too tempting!



Just curious, when you say 6g. of fish oil, are you referring to 6g. total of epa/dha?

Nope. I am referring to 6g of fish oil pills.... 6 1 gram pills.

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Originally Posted by Steve

Nope. I am referring to 6g of fish oil pills.... 6 1 gram pills.

So if I'm understanding correct, out of those 1 gram pills, you are not concerned about the amount of dha/epa in each pill? I have seen a lot of conversation about dha/epa per serving of fish oil which was why I asked.

[Steve]

Originally Posted by Obesity Discussion

So if I'm understanding correct, out of those 1 gram pills, you are not concerned about the amount of dha/epa in each pill? I have seen a lot of conversation about dha/epa per serving of fish oil which was why I asked.

Who said I have no concern for how much dha/epa?

You should know by now that I come equipped with a lot of scientific backing behind anything I promote or follow, LOL. I think I know where you are going with this.... does it have something to do with blood thinning? Or increased chance of stroke?

Standard 1 g fish oil cap will typically contain
180 mg EPA
120 mg DHA

I take 6 of them.

Nowhere near 6 grams of EPA and/or DHA.

And to be honest, there is literally a TON of research out there on the subject, but nothing is conclusive.

[Merle]

Originally Posted by Steve

Who said I have no concern for how much dha/epa?

You should know by now that I come equipped with a lot of scientific backing behind anything I promote or follow, LOL. I think I know where you are going with this.... does it have something to do with blood thinning? Or increased chance of stroke?

Ooooh, this sounds like a good discussion is coming

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Originally Posted by Steve

Who said I have no concern for how much dha/epa?

You should know by now that I come equipped with a lot of scientific backing behind anything I promote or follow, LOL. I think I know where you are going with this.... does it have something to do with blood thinning? Or increased chance of stroke?

Standard 1 g fish oil cap will typically contain
180 mg EPA
120 mg DHA

I take 6 of them.

Nowhere near 6 grams of EPA and/or DHA.

And to be honest, there is literally a TON of research out there on the subject, but nothing is conclusive.

I was surprised that you did not mention anything about DHA/EPA. I think I'm used to you being so super thorough with all the great info you provide. You're spoiling us.

I've read over the years that fish oil can cause elevations in blood sugar and LDL cholesterol in some people....and that Vitamin E seems to combat the blood sugar issue while Pectin or garlic does the same for the LDL cholesterol fluxes. I've seen nothing but good news regarding strokes and fish oils....and there seem to be a ton of other benefits as well.



.....and I do believe they thin the blood and should not be taken in conjunction with blood thinners

[Steve]

Originally Posted by Obesity Discussion

I was surprised that you did not mention anything about DHA/EPA. I think I'm used to you being so super thorough with all the great info you provide. You're spoiling us.

Yea, so I got lazy on this one

But thanks for the kind words!

I've read over the years that fish oil can cause elevations in blood sugar and LDL cholesterol in some people....and that Vitamin E seems to combat the blood sugar issue while Pectin or garlic does the same for the LDL cholesterol fluxes. I've seen nothing but good news regarding strokes and fish oils....and there seem to be a ton of other benefits as well.

Yea, different research will show different results, obviously. I've seen soooo many outcomes from studies of fishoil supplementation, EPA, and or DHA. My head spins circles just thinking about it.

FYI, the only *supps* I take are:

Fish Oil
Vitamin E
Vitamin C
Calcium (sometimes)
Multi
Whey

.....and I do believe they thin the blood and should not be taken in conjunction with blood thinners

I concur.

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Originally Posted by Steve

Yea, so I got lazy on this one

But thanks for the kind words!



Yea, different research will show different results, obviously. I've seen soooo many outcomes from studies of fishoil supplementation, EPA, and or DHA. My head spins circles just thinking about it.

FYI, the only *supps* I take are:

Fish Oil
Vitamin E
Vitamin C
Calcium (sometimes)
Multi
Whey



I concur.

Any time!

My supps are:

Fish Oil
Flintstones or Centrum Vitamin
Nitrean Protein Powder
Cell Mass Creatine (don't take consistently)

[Steve]

Yea, I have no issues with creatine. Very viable supp. I just don't take it.

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Originally Posted by Steve

Yea, I have no issues with creatine. Very viable supp. I just don't take it.

Lab rat results do have me second guessing a bit.....but I've always had good success with it minus the bloating, however "SUPPOSEDLY" CEE is supposed to reduce the bloating compared to the old style creatine, but I remember seeing a study recently that said otherwise.

[William Wallace]

You all are going to make me broke. Now I have to go get Fish Oil. Do you need to cycle this stuff or can you just take 3 servings a day forever. Before or after meals? During?

[Steve]

Originally Posted by William Wallace

You all are going to make me broke. Now I have to go get Fish Oil. Do you need to cycle this stuff or can you just take 3 servings a day forever. Before or after meals? During?

I take 6 grams per day. 3 around mid morning. 3 later in the evening.

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Originally Posted by William Wallace

You all are going to make me broke. Now I have to go get Fish Oil. Do you need to cycle this stuff or can you just take 3 servings a day forever. Before or after meals? During?

No cycling that I'm aware of. I take right after/during meals personally. They're not too expensive so I wouldn't sweat it.