[Steve]

Originally Posted by CNProv

Totally sure, everything I said I check and re-check. Every bit of this is from Alan Mikesky Ph.D, director of the human-performance lab and a associate professor at Indiana University-Purdue University in Indianapolis. Then again, what does he know?

That's ashame that you limit yourself to one smart man.

Expand your horizons a bit.... just a suggestion is all. The sooner you realize that everyone and anyone is fallible, the better and more unbiased your research will be.

You say you're totally sure that muscle burns 35ish more calories per pound. That's better than the usual that I hear. Usually it's 50-100 calories, which is assanine.

Still though, 35 is far from true.

It doesn't take some arm-chair expert (mind you, I'm well versed and do my own research) to give you the facts. Take real world examples for instance.

Personally I've gone from 175 to 200 lbs over the last 2 years. That's 25 lbs gained. If you've seen my pictures, I'm pretty lean. But I'll give it the benefit of the doubt and say that 5 lbs of that was fat. That's 20% of my total gain, which is highly unlikely.... but still, for the benefit of the doubt.

That leaves me with 20 extra pounds of muscle. With your figures, I should be burning an additional 700 calories.

Hint: I'm not, lol.

I keep strict tabs on my intake and I can assure you that I'm not granted the freedom of eating an additional 700 calories every single day without having consequences of weight gain.

I can say the same for my clients.

If you want more than empirical evidence, check this out:

Curr Opin Clin Nutr Metab Care. 2001 Mar;4(2):143-7. Links
Dissecting the energy needs of the body.McClave SA, Snider HL.
Department of Medicine, University of Louisville School of Medicine, 550 South Jackson Street, Louisville, Kentucky 40292, USA. samcclave@louisville.edu

Actual research puts the number at 5.89kcal/lb/day, which definitely falls much closer to real world, empirical data.

It's actually from a Medical Journal (I actually forgot the exact one myself, I just clip notes from various sources and add it to my own research) if you're interested, I can look it up and you can read for yourself. there is a shorter paraphrased re-print that says the same thing in an article written by Julia Van Tine that quotes the same source. Obviously,the workout is in the article and not the journal.

Peer-reviewed study please.

I'm not much a fan of the classical appeal to authorities internet gurus of today like to use.

One thing missing is when I said 'this kind of workout' is that I didn't include the actual step for step workout itself. I should have said "By elevating your heart rate for at least 20 minutes, this workout throws your metabolism into overdrive." then listed the actual workout...but I didn't know if I would get into any kind of 'copyright' problems.

Oh you're talking about your claims of the workout?

I asked if you are sure about the calories expended per pound of muscle. Not the workout. You said "totally sure." So all my dialog above was in reference to the metabolism of muscle.

The workout and your claims.... well, suck.

Let's discuss EPOC.

You say you like "clippings". Here's one for you:

From the big recent (2006) review

135kj is about 35 calories or so. yippee

"Because the EPOC is sensitive to work intensity, far less supramaximal than submaximal work is required to produce comparable EPOCs. The contribution of the EPOC to the net total oxygen cost of exercise following supramaximal exercise is therefore much greater than for submaximal work (*6%). Nevertheless, the EPOC remains a relatively minor component of the net total oxygen cost of exercise (*14%) even following exhaustive supramaximal protocols. Furthermore, when the EPOC differences between submaximal and supramaximal workloads are translated into energy equivalents, it is clear that such differences impact minimally on the energy balance of athletes. LaForgia et al. (1997) reported that the 135 kJ greater elevated postexercise energy expenditure for their supramaximal treatment could be easily replaced by ingesting only 75 ml of orange juice. Finally, supramaximal exercise, which is primarily the realm of athletes, is unlikely to be undertaken by untrained and overweight individuals who are seeking to maximize energy expenditure."

My apologies then....I am the new guy you know

No need for apologies.

Just use better reasoning, logic, and research.