[Steve]

Originally Posted by awb

of course losing weight is great for people who lose it.it prevents lots of things:diabetes,atherosclerosis,and many other medical problems,and has alot of benefits for the long term(even though ome of there researches are biased,but i'm, not going to get into that). certain cases people who have medical problems should definitely try to lose weight(i believe it should not be done alone,but with a medical adviser).

Hahahaha.

Do you know how much most MDs know about losing weight?

Doctors and even nutritionists are NOT the answer for weight loss. Individuals educated in nutrition AND exercise are the answer. The problem is, there aren't a lot of them around.

but i think it's wrong to say that everyone who is overweight should try to lose weight. there is a differance between BMI 25-30 ,than 30 and up.

You do realize that most people who are 25-30 BMI now have a good chance of being 30+ later?

Just sitting back and letting nature play its course is stupid IMO. That's what our population as a whole has done thus far and the outcome is the obesity epidemic. The epidemic is NOT caused by dieting as you seem to insinuate.

i've actually read an article that says that people in that range of BMI are healthier than the "normal weight" so it's not so black and white.

I'm pretty sure everyone here realizes that fat is not the only determinant of health.

besided- weight isn't everything.the distribution of the fat is what matters- the amount of visceral fat(abdominal weight gain,as opposed to fat in the thighs). people with BMI 30 that their cholesterol lever low,and there blood pressure is not even close to prehypertension,even healthier than me,why should they try to lose weight?

Better question.

Why shouldn't they?

I know plenty of bottom-heavy females that come to be to lose the fat b/c it gets in the way. Clothes don't fit them right. Their thighs rub. They have trouble with particular mobility issues. They want to look better.

It's not JUST about health. It's about quality of life too.

i disagree with your claim that everyone who is overweight should try to lose weight.
when you say success-what do you mean?because within a year 1/3- 2/3 gain all the weight back,and after 5 years- nearly 95% gain their weight back or even more than what they lost(aren't you familiar with the statistics? )

You are riding the numbers wayyyyyy to hard my friend. You are thinking very shallow. The numbers don't paint an accurate picture, as I said before.

what i'm suggesting,is that more research should be done about how to achieve that goal(maintenance!!!not losing-losing is much easier),before telling everyone with BMI above 25 to lose weight.there are some articles in the national weight control regitry's internet site.
if you read the article: "change in energy expenditure resulting from altered body weight"
by leibel et al. in the nejm,it explains why it's so hard to maintain the weight loss.

Yea, and?

So it would be better to simply be fat for the rest of your life? Your rational seems completely twisted.

And our bodies have natural setpoints; weights that we naturally want to set at. And being overweight is not it's natural state. This setpoint has nothing to do with food and activity and everything to do with the brain.

i claim that there's not enough research done about the negative outcome of weight loss(and one of the reaons is that alot of people make money from making people believe that the less they weigh the better-they have too much power).

I've helped 100+ people lose the weight and keep it off.

From my perspective, you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about.

to sum things up not everyone is the same,and it's a problem to tell everyone who's overweight to lose weight.you have to weigh the benefits against the negative outcomes for each individual person before you advise someone to lose weight.

What are the negatives associated with fat loss? Please enlighten me. And since you are going around preaching your intelligence and research capabilities.... use big words. I promise, I'll understand.

in order to determine who has a higher chance to succeed,more research has to be done.

Ok.

Well while you're sitting there waiting for the research, I'm going to live in the real world where I help people obtain permanent fat loss through lifestyle modification.

the advice to the pulic should be to eat heathy food,do more exercise,but the focus shouldn't be on losing weight,because anyways 95% will gain most of it back,or even more-so they might as well just maintain their weight(and if someone really has to lose weight-it should be monitered by a physician-but that's a different issue).

Haha, you love that stat. Comical actually.