[Steve]

Originally Posted by awb

but what's the point to try to lose weight if the success rate is so low?

It's so low b/c people use retarded tactics to shed the fat.

i believe people should eat healthier-whole wheat,less chocolate,more exercise etc. but trying to lose weight is much more than that. it's restricting calories. some people have to eat 1200 a day to lose weight.if they eat more they won't lose weight.that is very hard to stick too.

Only very small people need to eat that few calories to lose weight. Not big people. And generally the smaller you are, the less you eat anyhow.

and think about the negative outcomes of trying to lose weight- the weight gain(which might be more than the weight lost-is it worth it,in terms of public health?),the eating disorders(i know all about that),the depression.and how many people actally succeed?

Lumping all dieting into one group isn't wise.

Communities such as this that promote effective ways to permanently lose the weight will squash any half-assed dieting attempt the you'll find your average person following.

Not all methods of fat loss lead to weight gain, EDs, and psychological pitfalls. Assuming otherwise is ludicrous.

i'll give you an example-if you have a drug for a certain disease that works only for 5% of the people,but for the others it just has negative outcomes,and may even worsen the symptoms-would you prescribe it as a doctor?it's better not to give them the drug than prescribing it,hoping that they are in the lucky 5%.

I don't get it.

So you are saying losing fat is always bad. Or 95% of the time. Do you understand how the body works?

i think it's the same thing here. eating healthy is one thing,but trying to lose weight-is not worth it. i admire your success in your weight loss.but you know very well that most people gain that weight back after 5 years, and maybe weigh even more than before.

Right, again, they used retarded tactics.

and another thing-ever since i decided to accept my body the way it is(i don't want to talk about what happened 'till then), i started dropping some of the weight i gained. when i don't intend to lose weight- i lose weight. when i try to lose weight- i just gain weight.

Taking your mind and n=1 out of the equations....

thermodynamics rules at the end of the day regardless. You didn't lose weight magically b/c you started thinking differently. You lost weight b/c of the thermodynamics involved in your situation.

i'm very interested to know if the increase in obesity has anything to do with the fear of obesity? maybe fighting it just worsened it? look at the increase in low calorie foods,health foods, exercise courses,etc. and yet-the obesity is just increasing.why? is it only lifestyle? or does it also have to do with the pressure to lose weight?

No.

Not IMO.

Certainly there were a lot of retarded dieting tactics floating around that most likely hurt more people than they helped.

That said though, our society is becoming more and more obese mainly due to the fact that our environment has drastically changed in a relatively short period of time leaving little/no time for evolution to run it's course. We are designed to store fat, not burn it. We are designed to over-consume, not under. We are designed to be active, not sedentary.

Yet, our environment today directly opposes these natural tendencies/inclinations.

And that's why we are fat.